[Dialogue Master] Diet Rams-The whole network collects 10 good questions ~

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普小象作者 2022-06-06

Welcome everyone to ask questions enthusiastically ~ ~ ~ the solicitation will end on June 15

马赛Mars 2022-06-07

When a certain industry, core technology is limited, modeling, CMF begins to roll inside, where is the breakthrough point of industrial design?

迦南圣经【普象金牌点评员】 2022-06-07

For those who ask questions, please show the nucleic acid report within 48 hours.

文言文設計 2022-06-07

I'm going to have a "design ten questions"

CLee 2022-06-07

With the development of the times, will the design position be replaced by artificial intelligence?

2night 2022-06-08

Most people (I) know that there is still a lot of room for the progress of the core technology of the enterprise. The market modeling and CMF do roll inside, but it does not mean that you all know what they roll. Personally, I think the breakthrough point is not equal to new things, and the development space of small and medium-sized enterprises is still very wide.

菜鸟 2022-06-08

Yes, it has already appeared. I hope to develop faster and force me to change my career.

太西 2022-06-08

It is suggested that Puxiang organize more such exchange activities and find that everyone has too much to say ~ the industry is expanding ~ the problem of size is inevitable, and it is necessary to listen to more real practical problems, which can not be solved by one or two expert visits. However, it can be seen that the general elephant has already pushed forward in this respect ~ come on ~ ~

普小象作者 2022-06-08

Yes ~ thank you for your attention

拓荒者18816740353 2022-06-09

What exactly is design?

花间清影 2022-06-09

What is design?

onlyonceshop.com 2022-06-25

Dieter, do you have an unfulfilled product design you never started?

痛木 2022-06-25

When will the results be available

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太西 2022-06-06

Let me also say a few words ~ Hello, Mr. Diter Rams! There is a question I would like to ask. If industrial design breaks through the problem of low value in the product research and development process, it is directly related to the income of design practitioners. At present, the number of domestic design practitioners has doubled and everyone is very internal. The overall design output has made significant progress, but the overall income has declined. Everyone is doing some surface optimization work repeatedly, and less and less time is spent on product research and user experience. Because surface optimization is intuitive and good to cash in. It is relatively unfriendly to internal product research and experience. In order to reduce expenses, many enterprises and companies have chosen "this is the right free service" for these upfront investments, resulting in many design services lacking real product upfront research, but an excellent good product needs these. I would like to ask if foreign countries have encountered such an industry situation and how to make the industry virtuous circle. Thank you ~

惊喜 2022-06-06

逆旅 2022-06-07

Niubi. Based on the words of this eldest brother, the company and the enterprise now directly take the market demand and the product demand to the designer. The designer looks at these things and enters the product research and development faster than his own research and research, but it also corresponds to the words of the eldest brother above.

tonggin 2022-06-07

The definition of industrial design includes appearance design. At present, the number of employees who have doubled is only appearance design. Many designs cannot fall to the ground, even the mold cannot be opened, or the cost is very high. What broke through this week's situation was the big waves washing the sand. Those who only came into the industry to design should not last for 5 years;

设计0 2022-06-08

Your misunderstanding is very serious. The self-confidence of practitioners has collapsed from this seemingly reasonable remark. They strongly suspect that you are the one who comes to suppress people and then gain benefits. Appearance design is technology, no one can replace it, let alone layman, even experienced general structural engineers cannot replace it. Even if it is copied, the ID copied out is different, more smooth and more coordinated. It's just that the ID generation has been brainwashed by this kind of words. It can't raise its head and start the price. The industry's ancestral wrong genes are still continuing. There are IDs in the station that do not understand the production process, so you can post them. I believe many predecessors will provide technical support. Don't be fooled by this kind of rubbish. Come on, IDs

tonggin 2022-06-09

I didn't want to reply to your information, but I think I still need to make a response. Let me clarify here that I didn't suppress others, the channel to obtain benefits, nor was I recharged. With this profitable channel and the ability to be recharged, I don't have to beep with you here. My previous remarks are from the point of view of the analysis of the current situation, why is our industrial design "low-value", starting from too many people mistakenly thinking that industrial design is ID or appearance design, seriously lowering the threshold for employment, our industrial designer must be an "all-rightful", not just the appearance, I very much agree with "Liu Lao" point of view, you can also listen to Liu Lao's open class, personally, I think that the general direction of industrial design is pragmatism. A small part of it is to think about "art". It is not the so-called ID creative design. If it is only an ID, it will bring any improvement to production and life, but it cannot be produced. It only stays in the designer's portfolio. What is the value of any design? I would like to call on everyone here, no matter what ID, structure, electric control, technology and, please call yourself an industrial designer, Tianxing is healthy, and the gentleman is constantly striving for self-improvement!

设计0 2022-06-09

Your logic is correct, but what you say will bring newcomers and honest people into the ditch. When they see it, they will go to low prices and go to crazy painting appearances. The industry is destroyed inadvertently. Speaking is an art. You must consider that the speaker is unintentional and the listener is intentional.

DINGBN 2022-06-09

Isn't the ID post a Industrial Designer, maybe it's idea?

设计0 2022-06-10

The fundamental reason for the low value of IDMD lies in IDMD itself, because it is simple and only design is in the eyes. They don't know that every picture they make and every single they take have eliminated a job in society. Assuming that an MD eliminates 10 jobs a year, that 10 people eliminate 100 jobs, which is terrible.
It's not that you can't start a business alone, but that the method of settling accounts in the industry is seriously wrong from the ancestors, how can it be calculated according to working hours? What you are exchanging is a job, and the equivalent exchange is changed into working hours pricing by businessmen. Alas, the industry is too poisonous, let's clean it up together.

DINGBN 2022-06-10

Alas, there is still a long way to go.

秃头披风侠 2022-06-17

Appearance design is the result of industrial design, and the process obtained is the process of industrial design, but it is neglected. Appearance design must have good and bad standards, appearance design is not simple, but laymen do not understand.

2022-06-20

How do you say ~ this is actually the impact of the country's general environment. the essence of the volume is due to serious homogenization. the essence of serious homogenization is that there are too many people, too many Chinese people and many poor people. I think the stage of design is actually linked to the country's economy. being poor means paying attention to cost performance, being durable and practical. having money can make the user experience the ultimate, A product is expensive to a certain extent. A product can be a work of art. A good user experience can be smashed with money. Just like Rolls-Royce, as long as there is enough money, no matter how good the experience can be made for you. The only thing a designer can do is to make the best user experience at a limited cost. This is the difficulty of design. Finally, if the domestic design wants to pay more attention to user experience, the country's population needs to be reduced, the economy needs to be improved, the population and the economy need to reach a reasonable balance, and the treatment comes up, and the output products can get better and better. China does not lack excellent designers, but only good times and environment.

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Jet Z 2022-06-06

I would like to ask the master, my factory, which is the production line downstairs, uses rhino and keyshot to draw line drafts all the time, keeps staring at the competition, and does two or three appearance plans a week waiting for the leaders and Party A to choose. Is it an industrial design? Or, am I an industrial designer?

秃毛猕猴桃 2022-06-06

This kind of work, at best, is a painter, not a design.

思维二象性 2022-06-07

High-quality answer: change a company and jump a slot...

Old Guy 2022-06-07

You have surpassed yourself

设计0 2022-06-07

The industry has entered a misunderstanding. The appearance does not need to go high and sophisticated, but to learn to charge and recognize the importance of your own picture in business. The phrase "just make an appearance" has serious logic problems and PUA components in price negotiations. Learn to put away your picture and let them try it on their own, even if it is only a four-sided, even if it is just a stretch, you must always believe that if others can handle it, they will not find you.

驴哥产品设计ID 2022-06-08

Helpless and humorous

Jet Z 2022-06-08

With so many praises, it seems that there are many people as confused as me.

Jet Z 2022-06-08

Schrodinger's Cat

廿四 2022-06-08

The confusion is the same. My feeling is that a company has a supply chain and sales channels, so someone will pay for the appearance of the product. Therefore, industrial design is not taken seriously here, or is a "draftsman". It may also be a different industry.

设计周树人 2022-06-08

I don't know whether to work or not, but you must be the most decent worker in the factory.

Jet Z 2022-06-08

Which of the project manager, structure, writing board is not decent....

设计0 2022-06-08

There is no need to discuss the decency of others and analyze the problems of one's own industry. Why do enterprises not attach importance to a certain position, it must be because a certain position is not respected in society. The design company took the order for thousands of dollars outside, and it would definitely be too high for the company to spend 10W to recruit people. Then why is the design company so low, because there are individual individuals who are lower and lick more. So the problem is still with yourself. Who is to blame? Every private order you receive has eliminated a job, and you have eaten a pig's foot meal with thousands of dollars of private orders and still feel that you have become a guest. For such a low-intelligence group, the society says that you are sorry for yourself if you don't squeeze it.

Jet Z 2022-06-09

This is the case with the inner volume. We can't expect everyone to abide by it. It is the case in all walks of life. You don't accept thousands of private orders. A lot of novices will accept them. You don't lack thousands. They lack them! There is no industry standard either. To put it bluntly, it is a late start in China. I take the order according to the salary * 2 * working hour modification fee. In fact, it is also too expensive. The factory outsourced to the private sector is generally not a large factory. The small factory is a few percent of the cost. Many of their demand for appearance is actually just to make an appearance with less pieces. If it is too expensive, they are more willing to find MD in their own factory to reverse an explosion to make some modifications.

拓荒者18816740353 2022-06-09

This is not a designer, it is a design machine.

Jet Z 2022-06-09

Design dog

设计0 2022-06-09

Your cost is too low. You should know that every private order has eliminated a job, which is very destructive to everyone's demand for professional positions. Doing private orders is the most costly. Not only can it not subsidize the family, but it will make your own job in the workplace. It's just that many people have not realized this level. Don't be led by the nose by low-priced newcomers, Sanxian MD, what they can do is limited.

葩葩 2022-06-11

Based on the above point of view, empathy

luckyxxxx 2022-06-14

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秃毛猕猴桃 2022-06-06

Mr. Dietrams, what career development bottlenecks have you encountered in your career, and how did you break through these bottlenecks? More than two years after graduation, I found that it seems difficult to form my own way of thinking in design thinking, except that I am a little more proficient in software than before. Can you give some appropriate suggestions based on your previous experience? Thank you

鲨鱼辣椒 2022-06-05

Why are products becoming more and more minimalist, so that most products are becoming more and more similar? Do you think this is a good phenomenon?

2022-06-07

It is not more and more minimalist, but the cost requirements are getting higher and higher, which leads to the minimalist reaction of many products for the cost, which is actually confused. there is a big difference between minimalism and minimalism

Lip 2022-06-08

The same type of product convergence, roughly speaking, is the user accepted style convergence. In a slightly deeper way, the head supply chain used by the top terminal brand of this category is similar, and the cognition/recognition degree of users of this series of products is similar (this is not a simple cost problem, you can look at the high-end series of products such as refrigerator/air conditioner, and the molding/surface treatment process is not cheap, but the products of each product are similar in appearance, therefore, it cannot be simply attributed to cost issues)

Lip 2022-06-08

As for breaking the game, this is not what one or two terminal brands are doing. This category is a question that all aspiring ID/MD are thinking about, but whether to invest too much resources and energy here is something that enterprises need to consider, because the cost of this break is proportional to the difficulty of output. (Some 3C categories are not listed here)

luckyxxxx 2022-06-14

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秃头披风侠 2022-06-17

If you ban Pinterest, petals, general elephants, behance, etc., there will be no homogenization

王羡慕 2022-06-27

You're too rough. It's impossible. Even if you ban it, there will be flower stems confident like Aehance...

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三零二一 2022-06-06

For designers, how to balance innovation and business, or ideal and reality? When I was in school, I always wanted to do different designs, which could solve some problems or pain points. After work, it is easy to do useless work with this kind of thinking. Many innovative things often require the cooperation of many people, product definition, electronic realization of structure, cost control, etc. But the result is that the leader just wants a good-looking design. This design is fast, with less investment in the early stage, and there is no great risk, and it has more commercial value. But from the user's point of view, this product is actually dispensable, and it will even increase the difficulty of selection, or increase the overall unit price of the market. Is it necessary for the product to exist? After receiving the project, according to the project requirements, you can pass the draft relatively quickly, but according to your own ideas, the design time is greatly extended (it will not get additional design time, and you need to use the off-duty time), and you may not pass the draft yet. For this reason, it is easy to produce a feeling of weakness or meaninglessness. You alone do not have the ability to complete innovative design alone, and you always think about it from time to time. In addition, as far as I feel the design atmosphere, people around me or what I see on the Internet are more inclined to discuss and learn hand-painted modeling and rendering skills, and they are relatively lacking in attention to some early links in the design process. In short, it is easy to have a sense of gap and powerlessness.

要啥自行车 2022-06-06

It is better to simplify it a little, a little suggestion. The problem is still very good.

栗子栗子 2022-06-08

Then I think the first sentence is good, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha

志文 2022-06-08

Balancing innovation, business, ideal and reality, innovation can be used in business, ideal practice, down-to-earth, step by step to promote innovative design, step by step to approach ideal.

思维二象性 2022-06-09

Is there a possibility that, in fact, everyone attaches great importance to the preliminary work of design, but the reality does not allow it, or large companies have already completed the preparation and summary of the preliminary design, well, I am, in fact, I think the preliminary design is the most important link in the whole design process, which directly determines the upper and lower limits of your final product... Without the early design, it is likely to design a worthless garbage. A design with sufficient preparation in the early stage is also a perfect, very complete but mediocre design ~

OeDD 讴毅设计 2022-06-09

The early work is very important, but it is not obvious. Now the domestic environment is so impetuous that you want to be quick. Naturally, you want a good-looking appearance and beautiful rendering. However, after careful observation, it is untenable.

要啥自行车 2022-06-10

Ha, ha, ha

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MARK—钟 2022-06-06

Dear Mr. Dietrams, how do you do.
I 've been an industrial designer for 15 years. Although many different types of product appearance shapes have been drawn, and different appearance shapes represent different design languages, I find that many enterprises in different industries have different views on simple design. Enterprise owners regard themselves as designers, while our designers have become painters. As a current designer, how should I change this situation, or how should I adapt to this situation?

思维二象性 2022-06-07

In terms of design problems, it is just hard to finish. If you don't listen, you can change jobs. job-hopping can solve all the boss's problems

逆旅 2022-06-07

In this case, it is suggested that every time you take notes with your boss, the next time the boss will beep again, he will directly say that the boss's plan was proposed by you at the last meeting. This product is designed based on the direction you said at the last meeting. If you change this way, you may have to be specific with your direction this time. I will take notes. , let him hit himself

Mars 2022-06-07

You have to take good care of your boss. If he is a boss who understands design, you might as well let him say more, which may be helpful to you. If your boss doesn't know anything about design, don't deny his point of view after listening to me. No matter what he says, you have a point. Ha ha, then you will change the topic and let him deviate. Finally, you will introduce your point of view into it at the right time. Basically, you will let him not want to refute you any more. If it is useless, you will let him shut up completely and constantly interrupt his logic, moreover, during the conversation, he should be PUA, so that he can be completely controlled by you. I call it "upward management"

CHUNYUNIUYEYE 2022-06-07

Very good advice

拓荒者18816740353 2022-06-09

What you said is very reasonable. You are determined not to roll it inside.

山南阿姜 2022-06-14

I learned, I learned

普小象作者 2022-08-22

Yes, oh

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春色宜人花满园 2022-06-06

When a product has tried almost all possibilities for 30 years, how can it be designed to be pleasantly surprised?

只想做一个普通人 2022-06-06

玉璞こ 2022-06-06

seconded

读书看报早睡觉 2022-06-07

No, party a will be absolutely surprised by the delivery date

春色宜人花满园 2022-06-07

Maybe it was a shock

来自甲方的爱 2022-06-07

Then bring back the plan 30 years ago

春色宜人花满园 2022-06-08

Talent, come to our company

设计0 2022-06-08

The first ten pages of Taobao are all ordinary product improvement products, accounting for 90% of the GDP of design services. The businessman said that your design is not surprising. It just requires you to charge less and draw more. Believe it or not, you just pulled out the size. He even thought about how to open the mold and where to wash feet at night. The money for washing feet is saved from you. You still take it seriously, pedantic

Tommy.Yang 2022-06-09

If there is no breakthrough, change the designer to design.

春色宜人花满园 2022-06-10

He did it again similarly

春色宜人花满园 2022-06-10

Insightful

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马赛Mars 2022-06-02

When a certain industry, the core technology is limited, modeling CMF internal volume, at this time the breakthrough point of industrial design?

Mars 2022-06-07

I think you have seen the state of this industry, which means that the volume of this industry is saturated. it is time to change the industry

CHUNYUNIUYEYE 2022-06-07

For example, mobile phone

只吃一小口 2022-06-07

Change mobile phone

2zzx 2022-06-10

In fact, things like mobile phones cannot be done by masters. The master is mainly high in realm.

loeway 2022-06-11

There is no restricted technology, only restricted people.

Tiger 2022-06-13

There are usually not many companies willing to do disruptive design again from 0-1. Disruptive design means higher cost and uncertainty. After the 1-10 stage product line is polished and mature, design homogenization is inevitable, which means lower cost and less risk. The design that can be homogenized at least before is relatively successful after market testing.

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设计周树人 2022-06-02

What do you think is a sense of boundary between plagiarism and tribute? Do you think Apple's design series is a tribute or plagiarism to your designed products?

来自甲方的爱 2022-06-07

Those who give money are called salutes, and those who don't call plagiarism.

设计0 2022-06-08

This kind of joke is not funny at all. Why do you want to plagiarize people without paying? Are you Lei Feng? Plagiarism and improvement require technology and experience. Modeling is also technology. Will others find you if they can handle it? Why do you look down on yourself so much?

来自甲方的爱 2022-06-08

I mean, those who gave money to the original author are called tribute, and those who didn't give money to the original author are called plagiarism.

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OeDD 讴毅设计 2022-06-07

I have a question that Master Hard to help answer: It has been 10 years since I did design, and now I am slowly turning to product management related work instead of design execution. Now under the background of domestic digital reform, it is for traditional Industrial designers have considerable challenges. The original job is to create a good-looking appearance and new ways of use, but now we are gradually doing the work of the Internet of Things platform. The reality forces us to keep moving forward, but we feel more and more divorced from the work of traditional design. I also observe that many traditional designers are gradually transforming to the positions of interactive design and product manager. How can the master better plan the career of designers so that we can go better and longer?

tonggin 2022-06-07

As an industrial designer and structural engineer who has been working for 18 years with a certificate, I personally feel that no matter whether you want to change your job or not, you can't lose your work. The work on your hand is the foundation of your life. The long-term secret should be nothing more than "half a beat" than the industry and keep yourself in front of "half a beat;

Yunnov 2022-06-07

Politely ask the elder how much is the current annual salary?

OeDD 讴毅设计 2022-06-09

Thank you for your guidance, but still stick to your career development track!

OeDD 讴毅设计 2022-06-09

Forced by life, workers!

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Jane 2022-06-06

Master, how do you make money?

普小象作者 2022-06-06

Jackson Pan 2022-06-06

It is recommended to set this question as the main question, and no punctuation mark can be missed.

Jane 2022-06-06

A look at you is a real person

只吃一小口 2022-06-07

The essence

来自甲方的爱 2022-06-07

I must send you up

BB0 2022-06-07

The master came this time, did you think about bringing goods live to make money?

LPT 2022-06-07

Must praise it

秃头披风侠 2022-06-08

There should be this problem in the 10 questions.

183****3807 2022-06-08

Send you up

Acurru 2022-06-08

This TM uses to ask the master? Make money to make a gross design, should go to finance.

Jet Z 2022-06-08

Don't be an industrial designer when you make money, and don't think about Qian Qian when you are an industrial designer.

迦南圣经【普象金牌点评员】 2022-06-08

Family, get ready! 3, 2, 1, link up!

来自甲方的爱 2022-06-08

Why are more than 70 praises missing? Puxiang can't afford to play

Jane 2022-06-08

Ha ha, habit is good

KING 2022-06-09

This problem is very good. I want to change my career now because I have no money.

山楂果掉了 2022-06-13

How to realize your design to the greatest extent and what is the process?

背影 2022-06-13

There must be this question

Sunny 2022-06-14

Such a real problem is really real!

秃头披风侠 2022-06-17

It's too vulgar and too vulgar, the pit must not be selected

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Xing志yuan 2022-06-02

It is said that commercial design is not equal to industrial design, so why can Jonathan of commercial apple become the star of industrial design

陈宪 2022-06-02

If you can talk, say more

陈珣珣 2022-06-06

Industrial design is based on business. Without commercial thinking, good design is difficult to promote.

Xing志yuan 2022-06-06

Unprovoked manufacturing demand, such as Philip Stark's juicer? How to judge it as "unprovoked"? Young people pursue individuality. Is it called "unprovoked" to fit the individuality design of this kind of people? What is "just need"? Cigarettes are just need for smokers, but not others. Then why did Liu Lao design an ugly watch? Now you can know the time when you look at your mobile phone. Is the watch just needed?

Jummy怪兽 2022-06-06

Unprovoked is to create demand for demand, design for design, an act of putting the purpose and power before the horse. The Philip juicer you mentioned is not easy to use and does not conform to the Bauhaus functional aesthetics, but it is highly respected. My personal ability is limited. I try to explain: to see this work (yes, it is a work), I need to combine the times and regions, culture, and the author's values. I looked for it, but I didn't find the watch designed by Liu Lao (but found his other products). You know he was an old man born in 43 years. He has been telling us about his design concept (world outlook about design), not his aesthetics. Not that watches are just needed, but that sensing time is just needed. My ability is limited and I can only return here.

Xing志yuan 2022-06-06

Baidu search "name UFO mechanical watch" at least in China, everyone wants to make money, and few people want to make products that cannot be sold without demand from the beginning academic schools have stable income and make sarcastic remarks every day, the actual fighters work hard for milk powder money every day and don't like each other. the current situation is I class = "expression-icon expression-type29" title = "funny">

Jummy怪兽 2022-06-06

Sorrow

Mars 2022-06-07

I suggest looking at it this way. Apple didn't make money for business at the beginning. He made the design valuable first, and then made the design money

无 2022-06-07

"Although more than 500 products have been designed," if I could start over again, maybe I wouldn't choose to be a designer. "In Objectified, Dieter Rams once told director Gary Hustwit that he has always advocated the concepts of sustainable development and environmental protection, but he still has to design commercial and consumer products."
Links: https://www.zhihu.com/question/31821960/answer/771902981
I found that rams seems to be tired of commercial design. In fact, everyone is just a designer.

Mix 2022-06-17

Big brothers like you ask this general question, is it looking for trouble?? Ha ha

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王海云 | WHY-ME 2022-06-03

You are a role model for many people, who is your role model?

FT 2022-06-09

You are a talent, Mr. Ra is not a god,

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弗了。 2022-06-04

Hello, Mr. Rams, with the development of technology and the popularization of professional knowledge, for example, the threshold of current software is lower, the development and popularization of 3D printing technology, and the exchange of information is more convenient. Will the future be an era when everyone is a designer? For example, in terms of daily necessities, people can design what they want and customize it. Only engineers will be left in the industry, and category designs such as cultural and creative, daily necessities, small household appliances, etc. that have not passed the high-tech threshold will disappear.

读书看报早睡觉 2022-06-06

In my opinion, it will slowly be like artist packaging. Only the master of top-level packaging has value (only art and brand value can be emphasized). Moreover, there is no standard for beauty and ugliness, and the threshold for industrial design is not high. Although industrial designers feel valuable, not being recognized by others is worthless. Now everyone thinks that industrial design is the icing on the cake and is not very optimistic about industrial design, there are no significant core barriers and they are pale in the face of technology.

陈珣珣 2022-06-06

I feel the same way.

Dolphinsnow 2022-06-06

Those who fish in troubled waters will disappear. Professionals will remain. Why is the designer always Party B? Your value is to make Party A's idea less ridiculous. Party A can really design its own plan, but how many Party A dares to directly release its plan to the public? The value of the designer lies in how to rationalize Party A's idea. The vision lies in the solution provided. Don't blame others. Or improve your level the grade is not enough. Come on!

饭饭 2022-06-06

Feel the same

弗了。 2022-06-07

I mean, with the development of society, people can customize their own lives and homes. By consulting their own materials and learning some software, they can use unique things. There is no such thing as Party A and Party B. The argument of this question is that with the popularization of technology and professional knowledge, can everyone become the designer of their own lives and homes in the future? Doodle and color yourself to make your own flowerpot.

读书看报早睡觉 2022-06-07

It can only be said that you haven't come into contact with large companies. What you are talking about is all the local tyrants and nouveau riche bosses on the market, the mechanical engineers equipped by professional Party A and the structural engineers have no poor industrial design ability at all. The low industrial barriers in industrial design are not for the local tyrants and bosses of the target, but for people like the target code farmers and engineers. Without strong industrial barriers, the average wage in, you can look at those free LOGO automatic generators. It is not enough to replace the master, but the design level is not much different from that of ordinary graphic designers. For the design results alone

Dolphinsnow 2022-06-07

You are too one-sided. The starting point and way of thinking of mechanics and structural engineers are completely different from those of industrial designers. If you think so, you can only say that you are not professional enough or that you have been assimilated or lost your original intention. It is very important to find the original intention of the design.

Dolphinsnow 2022-06-07

Then why are you a designer? Where is your professional knowledge? Where is your design method? Where is your understanding of design? Keep your initial confidence. You just have a bottleneck. You have to find your value. Think about Apple's design language. Think about design thinking. Those are what industrial designers pursue instead of personal preferences.

Dolphinsnow 2022-06-07

I have been engaged in industrial design for ten years. What big company has not seen? What kind of awesome structural engineer and engineer Party A has not seen? Don't just look at the superficial essence come on

弗了。 2022-06-07

I feel that you still don't understand what I want to express. I mean, in the future world, everyone can act as their own designer due to the development of technology. For example, I need something, I don't need it to be commercialized, I just want it to be my own use and become the thing that best meets my needs. This is not a bottleneck problem, because design is also a self-expression. On the basis of technological development, design has become a kind of like driving and drawing. For daily necessities, only engineers, chemists, physicists, etc. will explore the boundaries of materials and technology. By watching the tutorial, people can superimpose their desired functions on the product, do whatever they want in appearance, and then make and assemble them through 3D printing technology. Finally, use it in your daily life.

弗了。 2022-06-07

I just think about the future. What you have returned is completely different from what I said. The point is whether everyone will be a designer in the future, just like whether the design of a car driver will gradually become a life skill of people. What you said is completely your thinking about the present. I class = "expression-icon expression-type37" title = "water spray">

Dolphinsnow 2022-06-07

It's just that you think I don't understand. According to your idea, there will be no vases, no cosmetics, no pure arts in this world. What is the meaning? Have you ever thought about human nature? It is natural for people to love beauty. Many people make up beautifully, but what if you compare with a professional makeup artist? Compared with special effects experts? In the same way, industrial design is the same focus, and the way of thinking is just contrary to that of the structural engineer. What you can do is what the structural engineer dare not think about. That is the value. Do you think the concept cars of each car company can be made by the structural engineer independently? It's like an accountant can count and a driver can drive. How do you forget what the design is?

Kctonmi 2022-06-08

According to your understanding, everything just needs to satisfy the functionality? Even if the technology is so advanced that no entity enters the virtual world, all the things inside need appearance design, which may just be in a different form.

宁波明晨文化创意有限公司 2022-06-08

I don't think this problem is a problem. Industrial design is a very comprehensive discipline. Early designers generally start from the aesthetics of appearance and gradually go back to consider the man-machine experience, emotional experience, production and manufacturing, cost, even the process of product assembly, etc., and then advanced to consider the circulation of products, whether to be a general use or a small group, to think about marketing strategies and market launch, furthermore, it can also consider whether the designed products can contribute and help to economic development and social development, and can also be advanced to philosophy, human civilization and so on. In fact, such a discipline is worth exploring by our designers. It takes a long time to learn and understand. It is not as simple as designing life utensils for ordinary consumers, and it is unlikely to replace this discipline. So the road is still long and will get better and better. Don't give up!

要啥自行车 2022-07-01

Personally, I think the real threat to ordinary designers is artificial intelligence. As for the user's self-design behavior, it may not necessarily have any impact on the designer, because the user's demand does not mean that he knows what he wants. Some product categories need to be changed and changed even if professional designers and engineers do it. The cost of 3d printing is so high that the key is not worth it regardless of whether the user is rich or not, in addition, as you said, users still need to learn by themselves to obtain some professionalism, which is even less likely. Everyone's life is limited, and wise people will not spend this time and cost. In fact, some people abroad are already doing some personalized designs for specific categories, but they are also entrusted by users to designers. So I don't think you need to worry too much about the user's own design. The key is to improve your ability to the level that artificial intelligence can do, and don't be turned over by artificial intelligence.

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